The longstanding Pirelli/Metzeler conglomerate has caused some confusion, and theres a common misconception that the Supercorsa and Racetec are near-identical tyres that are simply rebranded, which is utter codswallop, even more so after the marketing decision to steer Metzeler towards pure road racing and Pirellis focus to short circuits, and subsequent offshoots in development. If this was a blind test, we could well have been on competition rubber during our first laps. The tyre has been made in sizes that will fit straight onto most 1000cc bikes without having to change your set-up. The secret is comes from the TD SLICK featuring a racing compound that includes polymers with a low glass transition temperature, carbon black and high melting temperature resins. You wouldnt dare leave the pits on stone cold slicks if you want to finish lap around the track still on your bike. The front looked nicely scrubbed and continued to produce linear performance. This one already 18000km's on the bike. Just experiment and see what works for you. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Other Stuff for Sale, If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have a electrical problem, Metzeler Sportec K3 tire pressure for track, http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/web/clog/supersport, Aprilia Owner's Pictures, Videos, and Sounds, Aprilia Owner Rides, Trackdays, Meetings, and Events, Aprilia 1000cc V-Twins: Model Years 1998-2009, Tuono 1000 R and Tuono Factory (2006-2010), RSV1000 Mille, Mille R, and Mille SP (1998-2003), RSV Tuono, Tuono R, Tuono Racing, and Tuono Factory (2002-2005), 2006-2011 Aprilia RXV, SXV, MXV 4.5/5.5 V-Twins, Scooters--Aprilia, Vespa, Piaggio, and Others, Scarabeo 50, SR50, Mojito 50, SportCity 50, Rally, Fly 50, Scarabeo 50 Ditech, SR 50 Ditech, SR Factory, Other Minarelli / Yamaha powered scooters, AF1 Racing Vehicle Inventory and Parts Specials, Aprilia Motorcycles and Scooters for Sale / Wanted, Aprilia Parts and Accessories for Sale / Wanted, If this is your first visit, be sure to
It does not store any personal data. Hi there, I just placed the order for a set of K3 compound tires for my 2018 Husqvarna 450 supermoto I ride only the streets with. I was wanting the K2 compound but felt theyd only last 1000km or so.would you think K2 or K3 would be better option? Metzeler have provided all the figures you need to find out if these tyres will fit your bike. Was running stock Pirelli Supercorsa SP. Track temp rise is then only 0.1 bar. Edited by chillo on Saturday 19th September 23:56, Surprised you're as low as 28psi hot on the front. We tested the K3 version which, despite racing heritage and connotations, is purely a road tyre and very different from the softer, grippier K1/2 compounds. Today, after 130 miles, much happier. Thanks to this set-up, track day fans can get all the performance they can dream of out of their bike without needing to spend thousands on bike stands, climate controlled storage and tyre warmers. There are no hidden surprises in brand-new guise and within a lap of Silverstones International layout, confidence to investigate kneedown came intuitively. Remember that these are street tires, so the super low rear pressures are probably not appropriate, and any less than 32 in the front you run the risk of denting the rim unless you can get a lot of heat into it. It depends on temperature. check out the. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. Parts for Sale
You don't mention your weight, but again probably not a big factor in novice as far as tire pressures. Attaching the document again with less compression. The first lap is to get tires warmed up, which they did very well at 26/30. Edited by chillo on Monday 28th September 08:21. Front I also have 34psi/2.35bar. Willy-wavers and smack-talkers will have you believe that racier rubber is perfectly acceptable on the road. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. This was for Thailand, ambient temp would be around 38 degrees C. OP is not using warmers, he needs cold pressures. Yes you could go lower, but that assumes you're able to build about 3 pounds with adding heat to the tire as you ride. Strengthened by the experience accumulated in road racing such as the Tourist Trophy on the Isle of Man, used as a testing ground to test the versatility of its products, Metzeler engineers have designed a compound capable of operating in a wide range of temperatures and asphalt conditions, in order to offer consistency in performance and resistance to cold tearing. Although perfectly capable, I wouldnt recommended them to faster, more experienced riders as an out-and-out trackday tyre unless youre riding to said trackday, or dont mind a slight performance expense. So after a bit of testing, I'm using 29 cold in the front. Tyres: the final say in whether we remain upright or kiss the tarmac, and an ever-subjective topic for every one of us. I don't want to turn this into a piss contest. The rear is also fully reversible, offering the rider the chance to fully use the tyre, when riding at tracks featuring a predominant leaning side, which exploit just one side of the tyre. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Away from the track, the K3s road manners imitate circuit etiquette: easy, predictable, intuitive and brag all the grip youll ever need for the road combined with greater stability than the Supercorsa SP. The reversible compound allows you to get the most out of your tyres. So you could start at 34 front and 40 rear, 2 pounds less than the manual says front and back. 2011 s1000rr track bike inc. rck2 k-techDDS DunlopKR. We didnt notice any drop-off from the front tyre throughout the day until the very end, where it felt as though it could do with another few psi. I kept right around 42 +0/-2 psi and it was fine for me. If you start with 42 and it heats up, you are going to be riding on a brick. I run about 4psi over recommended pressure. Warm-up time is impressive, even in cold conditions. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. Contact Cassons to find a supplier near you so you can improve your track day experience and your lap times beyond your expectations and keep an eye out for Takas review soon! Bikes for Sale
We run the K1/K2 front Racetecs/Interacts at 2.4 bar hot (35.5 psi) off the warmers and find it gives the front much better stability under braking. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. All FS, WTT, WTB threads are subject to the specific rules outlined in their respective subforum. And yes, DOT street tires, no warmers, relatively slow, and possibly inconsistent speed. Come join the discussion about superbike performance, modifications, troubleshooting, specifications, racing, maintenance, and more! The Metzeler TD RACETEC SLICK are available now, check out the sizing and price list down below. Taka Nagata will be putting them through their paces on the Philip Island GP Circuit later this month. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, https://bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=529135, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. ALL For Sale (FS), Wanting to Buy (WTB), Wanting to Trade (WTT), and similar threads MUST be posted in the correct subforums. Come join the discussion about performance, racing, cafe racers, bobbers, riding, modifications, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Rear is at recommende spec, 42psi/2.9bar. The rear may have looked like it was attacked by a gigantic cheese grater, though this was largely down to an ill-performing Super Duke R shock and theres plenty of road mileage left in the tank. By clicking Accept, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. The KTM felt instantly more assured mid-corner on the side of the tyre, more eager to steer to an apex, and more willing to accommodate trail braking over the Dunlops. Stick with the stock pressures, or drop it a few pounds front and back. These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. Metzeler have kept the sizing simple by providing the most common rear sizes, so you dont have to muck around with changing the rear setup. Other than not being available in a 200-section rear option, our only real issue isnt with the K3s themselves its the fact that the M7RRs are so good in both wet and dry conditions, you have to ask serious questions before opting for the sportier tyre. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. If you do, they will be moved or deleted as they are found. Tyres: the final say in whether we remain upright or kiss the tarmac, and an ever-subjective topic for every one of us. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. My question was mostly about how low can I go on pressure before I start having adverse effects. The KTMs switch to K3s was also a pertinent test after a life spent on the OE Dunlop Sportsmarts. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. I understand skapan's recommendation to keep it simple, though I think I'd go lower than the street pressure of 38/42, to get some more grip. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. This is exactly it, everyone has what works best for them (riding style, road quality, weight, and so on). The TD has been created to keep costs down at track days and performance to a maximum with the tyre being durable. Being a novice, he could end up a LOT faster after a few sessions, and then the temps (pressures) will be out the window. He doesn't need to be checking pressures after every session to see if they need adjusting - how would he know which way to adjust? The correct subforums can be found here:
Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. Along with its sister hoop and only true rival Pirellis Supercorsa SP the K3 has been a popular choice for manufacturers to choose fit for OEM fitment. Having spent 12 years racing in the BSB paddock and consequently on Pirelli/Metzeler rubber (not through choice, but control tyre ruling), Ive formed an involuntary affection and unwavering confidence, although theres a tangible shift in the RRs behaviour. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. You really have to be a monumental bellend to unearth any grave deficiencies in top-shelf rubber. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. 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Remember you'll probably have 40 minutes between sessions (if STT) and your tire will get cold for practical purposes. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. will impact the squaring off more than anything. JavaScript is disabled. what do you think milage between k2 and K3 would be? I used the K2 front and K1 rear for the first time last race. really wanted something stickier this year. Gonne try some lower settings for the rear when I install a fresh front tire. He needs info for the DOT K3's, are they included on the list? You will need all your attention for the track, don't be concerned about tire pressures at this point. What pressures are people running with these?! These cookies ensure basic functionalities and security features of the website, anonymously. Your tires are probably going to stay "cool" until you build up some speed and start cornering and braking harder. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. Not so much on the higher pressures. Its more stable in almost every aspect without sacrificing that trademark abundance in feedback. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". I think the tire compound and style (sport, sport touring, etc.) Do not post these threads in any other forum. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. This is an unfortunate consequence of a few members' abuse of the forum. thanks for your time! I set the cold pressure to 23psi at the rear and asked the rider to ride, ambient temps were 28-29 deg celcius. If there is a tire guy at the track, ask him what he thinks for your tires. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Factory Racer vs Privateer | Which is harder? The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. Stay tuned! The 1290 isnt exactly renowned for its stability, yet the palpable steering sharpness was beautifully controllable from upright to big lean, neutral and predictable. The structure of the TD slick is proof of the ever improving tyre technology available to the public. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". The Metzeler RACETEC TD SLICK combines the advantages of a slick tyre but do not require tyre warmers or elaborate bike settings, according to Metzeler. The Genuine rear sizes allow a smoother transition from OEM tyres geometries to professional racing tyres, and helps the rider skip some of the setup variables a professional racer is required to manage. For those who have ridden a motorcycle with racing slicks, the first few minutes fresh off the tyre warmers can be quite sketchy unless you push immediately to make sure you dont lose temperature, as racing slicks only operate properly within a very narrow temperature and pressure operating range. Honda Fireblade SP 30th Anniversary | First Ride. I wasnt really enjoying how my bike handled in twisties last week, so I dropped my pressures to 32f, 29r after reading what Metzeler recommended for track use. I started with higher pressure and this felt sticker much faster than the higher pressure. The exclusive patented CCM process Compound Continuous Mixing process maximises the homogeneity of the components in the polymetric matrix and allows the tyre to consistently offer high performances, from the first to the last lap, even if divided between several thermal cycles. I would do 34F, 36R as a start (cold). If not legible the information you need is cold (dead cold): You don't mention your weight, but again probably not a big factor in novice as far as tire pressures. FWIW, I just did my first track day via STT, and had similar questions. Unless youre able to maintain heat and ride like a twat/boast the innate talent of someone like John McGuinness 100% of the time, the benefits of outright grip are useless. Incidentally, the softer Racetec compounds are the first Metzeler race tyres to be properly homologated for road use, but the K3 is far more suitable for the everyday usage. The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. It was tearing like this. The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". You simply cant take the piss-taking liberties soaked up by the K1/2. Without GPS or stopwatch clarification, its safe to suggest the K3s lose around a second for every minute towards a lap time compared with the K1/K2. Thanks to all who chimed in. Don't you remember your first track day? I had pirelli Diablo Rosso IIIs last year they were awful. METZELER engineers have designed a compound capable of operating in a wide range of temperatures and asphalt conditions, in order to offer consistency in performance and resistance to cold tearing. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Rubber technology KTM/MotoGP Competition Terms and Conditions, WIN THE ULTIMATE ORANGE MOTOGP EXPERIENCE AT SILVERSTONE, Boothys TT Log | Day 6 Tea and Biscuits, Boothys TT Log | Day 5 Big Improvements, Boothys TT Log | Day 2 The Big Reveal. And except for overzealous off-the-throttle front-end exploitation and obvious warnings on the very side of the tyre, theres very little to complain about. Also, check after each session to see if you need adjustments. Everything about the TD SLICK has had value for money in mind, rear sizes feature a symmetric structure and seamless construction layers avoiding the junctions, which are sensitive to the stress direction. I retract my previous pressures. Lower pressures allow you to use the whole tire, without wearing down the center, and will give better feedback. Riders can just kick their stand up, warm the tyres up slightly and apply maximum throttle. 2020 GSXR 1000 (track), 2017 R6 (sold), 2016 R1 (dead), 2015 s1000RR (dead), Run stock pressure at the track? Metzeler, however, have found a way to eliminate the use of tyre warmers to keep the costs down and track days easier by having a broader operating range, with these essentially replacing the RACETEC INTERACT K3 from previous years, the hardest race slick from Metzeler. Metzeler and Pirellis have long been known for their friendly flex on the limit of adhesion but, dare I say it, the K3 feels a little more towards a Dunlop carcass in comparison with the outgoing Interact, which used to move around in excess when molested. I'll say it again. You guys feed him all this data that he may not want to use on his first track day. I consulted with the resident expert tire tech at the Michelin tire trailer and he recommended 26R 30F. I was concerned about handling and he said these pressure are same they recommend on the equivalent Michelin product, and will allow for faster warm up. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Never heard that one before. Along with cold and warm pressures to show off the performance. It has the aggression of a full race tyre but the cost of a sport tyre. That picture was compressed so much that the information isn't legible. Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features. Metzeler the only tyre manufacturer to produce solely motorcycle rubber, which is a neat little factoid launched the Racetec RR at the end of 2014, and its immediate success was evident in pure roads competition. There clearly isnt the outright grip of its peers during acceleration from the rear but its all very civilised unless youre asking for excess throttle inputs. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. JavaScript is disabled. The Metzler guy let me take a picture of the pressures. Rubber technology and R&D has been drastically enhanced recently to cope with the demands of the latest crop of 200bhp howitzers and, such is the grip on offer, only human (sometimes subconscious) or mechanical errors are the cause for crashing nowadays. hoping the K3 will be OK. but I could change to k2 if you think theyd be a better option? We spent a day spanking Barons K3-shod KTM 1290 Super Duke R at Silverstone that included six 25-minute sessions without tyre warmers. A forum community dedicated to Triumph Motorcycle owners and enthusiasts. In terms of longevity, youll be treated to two sessions with uncompromised grip levels before starting to observe perceptible degradation. I got 9000+ miles out of my Z8 with no noticeable squaring (very slight in the last 500 or so miles) and no trouble using the whole tire. Granted, grip levels dropped immensely from the rear during the last sessions and she moved around like a trifle, but it remained progressive and bloody good fun.